I've been reading Robert Bly's The Sibling Society and at the same time wondering why Ishmael had such an impact on me ten years ago. It always amazes how you can hold a question in your mind and answers to those questions pop out at you from all different kinds of sources. Take this quote out of TSS about breaking up tribal societies for instance:

            When you hear the idea of "The New Renaissance", what do you think of? What are you imagining? When I think about what Daniel Quinn's vision of humanity is, I am often stuck with the concept of what I don't want to be. I think of a tribe of capitalists holding together their capitalist ways on that sliver of land known as Manhattan. I spend time imagining space for other ways of life, but I am somewhat stumped to think of what it might be other than what I've already got to work with.

Hey all,

I just found out yesterday that the video about the relationship between population growth and food production that Dr. Thornhill and Daniel Quinn put together is available over at video.

Hey all,

So I just finished watching DQ's video series on food production and population growth again. I've owned it since it first came out. I'm still impressed by it. To me, it seems that what he had to say back in 1998 is even more important today.

Hey all,

Some of you might be interested in this exchange with Daniel Quinn about Derrick Jensen over at the Ishmael Community Guestbook.

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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:13 am    Post subject: Re: "Ishmael" by Daniel Quinn paimei01 wrote:The book says that we are all enacting a story

And what story is Quinn enacting ? That of Guru of tribalism ? 

Ever wonder why he seems to like having a following of adulating fans ? 

Ever wonder why he twists anthropological data out of any semblance with reality ? 

Ever wonder why he has nothing practicable to recommend, except for vaguely advocating that we let others starve in far off lands ? 

Did you ever consider how many billions will have to die in order for the few remaining millions to subsist as neo-tribalists ? 

But I forgot, murder is one those false "sins" of the crappy ten commandments.
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I recently added a blog to my website and I thought some people might be interested in my latest post, The Challenges of Accepting Civilization as Unsustainable and Unhealthy . Feel free to subscribe, comment, get in touch, whatever.

This is a continuation of ideas presented in part 1, "The Giver Culture".   

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